Wanna lose weight? Too bad.

[Bairen]

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Cana ... story.html

[KinkiDude]

Experiments by University of Ottawa researchers suggest that people vastly overestimate how many calories they burn during a workout, and overcompensate by increasing their food intake after they exercise, especially when the workout is vigorous.

You mean I can't keep eating like a whale and lose weight even if I do three hours of exercise a week?! No!!!!! Say it ain't so!

[RR645]

It is a shame so much time and energy goes into research to try and figure out why some people are so fat... It really is a simple concept. If you suck down cookies, cake, pizza, whatever, in large amounts and don't have the genes to keep the weight off or the willpower to exercise enough to keep your weight down, THEN YOU WILL BE FAT. There, problem, fucking, solved.

I remember reading an article on research that basically explained to a group of fat women that, no, it's not so much your genes that are making you fat, you all just eat too dam much. The women weren't convinced. If you don't want to be fat put down the doughnut get off the couch and do something. It shouldn't take a laboratory and scientists to have to dig into the whys and hows. They should be doing something useful like researching cancer or other actual diseases.

When I was in high school my friend had one of those bumper stickers that read "NO fat chicks". We were out driving one day and we pulled up next to a group of fat chicks... They were tearing through doughnuts... Three of them. Sucking them down. Good fucking comedy. We made sure we cut them off and showed them how we roll. They weren't amused.

[randomcow]

So what *is* the latest research in this field? It's obvious we haven't found the silver bullet yet.

I'm tending towards the theory about processed food products vs non-processed products, the difference being the fact that the former diverts fat-burning time from your liver. Yes, beer falls into the former.

RC

PS flick through a couple of pages of this:

http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/

[kuroneko]

PS flick through a couple of pages of this:

http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/

Just wow.

[Bairen]

I love that site. It makes me hungry

[sakaya_slag]

It is a shame so much time and energy goes into research to try and figure out why some people are so fat... It really is a simple concept. If you suck down cookies, cake, pizza, whatever, in large amounts and don't have the genes to keep the weight off or the willpower to exercise enough to keep your weight down, THEN YOU WILL BE FAT. There, problem, fucking, solved.

One of my best friends here in Japan is what you would describe as "plump". He is in his late 20s, works out 5 times a week, eats nothing but salad, vegetables and boiled chicken and still doesn't lose any weight at all. He has tried Japanese food only too. No effect. Not one pound lost. He is of Russian descent which suggests to me that his genes are excellent at storing fat for survival. Some people simply have the wrong genetic make-up for the times we live in.

[randomcow]

He should try adding oils to his diet. As you allude to, his metabolic profile most likely expects him to consume lots of fats and oils in order to survive the Russian winters.If he is getting virtually none in his diet, you can bet his body is holding on to those fats it does receive with all it's might. He needs to train his body to process instead of store.

RC

[bomboy]

He should try adding oils to his diet.

That is what Mediterranean people do to keep from eating too much. When I was in Italy last year I noticed that there were lots of light snacks through the day, with a lot of the little meats and vegetables in oil. When I asked my moms friend (who is a chef in Bologna) why this is, he said that your body thinks that the oil will be nutrients and it fools itself into thinking that it is full. Made sense to me, as I went the whole day up until dinner with only oily small snacks, and I never felt hungry.

[KinkiDude]

No matter if he is eating salads and boiled chicken if his daily caloric intake is more than the expenditure he won't lose weight. If he says he getting by on 1500 calories a day and still not losing weight, I call bullshit. (Unless his body has found a way to magically absorb calories from the air?)

Also, depends what you mean by plump. Are you being nice to say "fatso"? Or do you really mean just "chubby"? No matter what and how much you eat, people do have different body types. Ectomorphic, mesomorphic, and endomorphic. You individual makeup is going to decide (to a certain extent) how to distribute those calories inside your body. Some store fat more easily. Some store muscle more easily. Some don't store shit and find a way to burn it all of regardless what you do. Some chubby people can't really do that much about it because it's not 'extra' weight, it's just his/her physical makeup.

[sakaya_slag]

No matter if he is eating salads and boiled chicken if his daily caloric intake is more than the expenditure he won't lose weight. If he says he getting by on 1500 calories a day and still not losing weight, I call bullshit. (Unless his body has found a way to magically absorb calories from the air?)

I didn't believe him either until I lived with him. I'm a stick and I eat twice as much as the guy easy.

Also, depends what you mean by plump. Are you being nice to say "fatso"? Or do you really mean just "chubby"? No matter what and how much you eat, people do have different body types.

If you met him, you wouldn't think he was fat although Japanese people might. He's round enough to be conscious about it and it seems to affect his desire to hit on girls here, much to my encouragement to the contrary that it doesn't matter that much.

Anyway, he recently offered me 1000 yen for every kg he loses if I can give him a good idea.

[Bairen]

You may eat twice the calories, but your body may also burn twice the calories when at rest. That's metabolism - faster for some people (usually the skinny ones) than for others (usually the not skinny ones). It still comes down to what kinki said - if you are using more calories than you are taking in, you will lose weight. Maybe that guy got cursed with a metabolism that burns very little calories at rest (or whenever).

But really, anyone more than 180 lb or so who is on 1500 calories a day should be losing weight no matter what. Maybe that guy likes an icecream at lunch every day and a chocolate bar on the way home. Who knows.

[randomcow]

No matter if he is eating salads and boiled chicken if his daily caloric intake is more than the expenditure he won't lose weight. If he says he getting by on 1500 calories a day and still not losing weight, I call bullshit. (Unless his body has found a way to magically absorb calories from the air?)

It could be:

1) He is over-estimating the amount of calories burnt and overeating after a workout. But more likely I think:

2) His body is storing the scarce amount of oil it receives as fat, and then surviving by canibalising his lean muscle; and/or

3) 1500 calories a day is pretty low. His body might be in some kind of starvation mode, thus killing his metabolism.

RC

[RR645]

One of my best friends here in Japan is what you would describe as "plump". He is in his late 20s, works out 5 times a week, eats nothing but salad, vegetables and boiled chicken and still doesn't lose any weight at all. Some people simply have the wrong genetic make-up for the times we live in.

I think genetics do play a part, but more likely for the people who blame genetics, they are closet eaters. You turn your back and they throw back a slice of pizza and then talk about the salad they ate. I am not saying your friend does this but it happens. I went on a ski trip and I roomed with a chubby girl who would explain in detail, "she doesn't know why she is chubby, she eats right, exercises", but every night before we would go to sleep I would hear her digging around in the closet. The last morning I peeked inside the closet and found like two boxes of demolished cookies. Problem fucking solved.

I agree about the oils thing and I also think processed foods should be avoided. I drink a shot glass full of　黒酢　every day, I know it is not oil, but it warms the belly and is packed with vitamins and minerals.

[KinkiDude]

Exactly as Bairen said. What he eats relative to you is irrelevant. It's his metabolism that will decide how much to keep on his body and how much to get rid of and also where to put what he has. Regardless of body type though, with the right diet and exercise anyone can look 'good'.

a) The idea that one should never feel hungry is bullshit. For some reason, western society thinks that one should never feel hungry. Crap, I say. Thin people aren't always thin because their metabolism is so high. Not just that anyway. I read an article once that thin people tend to 'forget to eat'. I realized that I do this a lot. I get absorbed into something and even if I'm hungry just say to myself that I'll get something later and forget about it. Unless I'm famished, hunger is not painful for me to live with. He should feel hungry for a while before having the next meal. If he eats 3 meals a day. There's also the 6-meal a day regimen which is supposed to be better for both people trying to gain and those trying to lose. I imagine you wouldn't feel as hungry for as long with that.)

b) Simple science says that if output>input, you get weight loss. End of story. Tell him to record every single calorie he eats for the next 10 days. Figure out his average daily value. Decrease by 200 or 300 calories a day for the next few weeks and if there's no change, reduce again. I don't care how hungry he feels, if he's not losing weight, he's eating too many calories.

c) RC may have a point as far as fat/muscle ratio goes. Overall weight will be determined by output>input. Fat/muscle ratio can be influenced by how your body feels the need to distribute those calories. If he starts to lose kilos, but remains 'chubby', then he needs to force his body to burn that fat somehow.

d) Ironically, if he works out a lot and is active, he could actually lose weight by eating more. (RC's theory extended.) This could tell his body that it doesn't need to hang onto any fat or extra calories since it knows it can depend on a steady supply of food. Metabolism increases and more calories go to making muscle.

[Bairen]

Input > output = weigthloss, but there is something to be said for the types of food eaten. Proteins take three times as much energy to digest as carbohydrates, and take about three times as longer digesting it, which means that you feel fuller longer, and use more energy just in digesting the food you've eaten.

Building muscle also helps for the simple reason that muscle burns more energy at rest than fat. So a muscle builder of 100kg will be burning more energy watching a movie than a fat person of the same weight. Which means that being muscular maintains itself to some degree - muscular people can look muscular because they the muscles to keep them looking muscular.

[randomcow]

http://www.naturalhealthyellowpages.com ... _test.html

Anyone actually doing any work today?

RC

[randomcow]

Input > output = weigthloss, but there is something to be said for the types of food eaten. Proteins take three times as much energy to digest as carbohydrates, and take about three times as longer digesting it, which means that you feel fuller longer, and use more energy just in digesting the food you've eaten.

Building muscle also helps for the simple reason that muscle burns more energy at rest than fat. So a muscle builder of 100kg will be burning more energy watching a movie than a fat person of the same weight. Which means that being muscular maintains itself to some degree - muscular people can look muscular because they the muscles to keep them looking muscular.

Not to mention that you have a whole lot more energy when working out, so you tend to move around a lot more.

RC

[Edogaijin]

Sleep too.
You can eat the right amount and exercise all you like, but your body needs some down time to process all that muscle building and fat burning.
If you're always tired, it's easier to store the energy as fat rather than burn it off while your body is sleeping building muscle from all that exercise you did.

Metabolism is like a fire and too much of anything will put the fire out.

I like the eat fat to burn fat philosophy too...
If your body is craving for a fat hit then it will convert anything (usually sugar) into that fat you deprive yourself of.
Don't be scared to have a bit of fat...

[RR645]

Sleep too.
You can eat the right amount and exercise all you like, but your body needs some down time to process all that muscle building and fat burning.

I sleep at least 8 hours a night. Like a log.

When I tell people that, they are always surprised like "how can you sleep for so long, or how do you have the time". I can sleep like that because I work my ass off during the day and hit the gym hard at least three times a week. (work my ass off as in moving and running and teaching) I have the time to sleep like that because it is important. It makes a huge difference in how I function emotionally, physically and helps me to relax.